Jeff, this ones for you-heres the other red pine-from the top, side, and a closeup of the new branching I am looking for, nice and low. (the bottms pics are the red pine, the top 2 are the JBP) Also, heres a JBP that I grew from seed, notice how many branches I have to work with. I'll be wiring the branches out horizontally this winter, in preparation for spring.